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Chappaqua NY, indecisions and confusions, Kittle House, old fashioned gentleman, online dating, second date
“This is trouble with you. You think you want, you don’t think you want–always back and forth. Me, when I want, it is with whole heart. I look at wanted thing with eyes straight on. But you! Neither here nor there. Your looking always crooked, from side of eye. It has no power to hold. So wanted thing, it slip away from you.” ― Ruth Ozeki, My Year of Meats
I sit here in the space between dates 2 and 3 with the 65 year old attorney. But before I get to that place, let me tell you about the second date.
He called me and asked me out. There is not much texting with him. He is old fashioned that way. I said yes to the date and to him picking me up. He didn’t say where we were going. He just said it would be a nice restaurant. I like surprises so I didn’t mind not knowing.
At 5: 30 on Sunday he picked me up. He had a gift for me. When I opened the small pack, it was a bar of soap (see the pic at the end). He saw that I was confused and reminded me that I had joked about taking a shower for the date, or something like that. I don’t recall exactly what I said, but I guess it was funny and memorable to him. Bonus points for originality. I have gotten flowers, books, chocolate, and even bread as date gifts, but never soap.
The drive there took us to the area where I lived with the Ex. Being in that area brought back some memories. I am happy to report, that I was totally indifferent to the memories. The memories came, I acknowledged them, and even mentioned it to my date. Then as fast as they came, they went. It was just the past, something I lived and it was over. I didn’t feel sad or nostalgic.
“Man himself is so buffeted by shifts of thought and mood, not knowing from one day to the next what he truly feels, that a shifting earth is well-nigh the last straw.” ― Beryl Bainbridge, Master Georgie
After 40 minutes we arrived at Crabtree’s Kittle House Restaurant and Inn in Chappaqua NY. It is a gorgeous place, that was a bit hard to find in the dark as it is nestled in a residential area and a golf course.
To drink I had a sugar cane and blueberry cocktail. He had diet coke. He didn’t overdo this time with appetizers and desserts. For appetizer we had 2 dishes. One with mushrooms, grilled plums, red cabbage and butternut puree. The other was a Tofu taco bowl, it had black rice, tofu, pickled onions and some other greens. For the entrée I had the hanger steak with fries and a side of arugula with feta cheese. He had a vegetarian Sheppard’s pie. For dessert I had a chocolate and peanut butter crunch bar with coconut gelato. Everything was delicious.
The drive back was equally fun, with no lull in the conversation. We talked about family, vacations, etc. There is always a lot laughs. When he dropped me off at my building, I just reached over and hugged him goodbye with a kiss on the cheek.
I didn’t feel any romantic sparks, but he is so much fun to be with. A combination of smart conversation and plenty of humor. I spent Monday thinking about what to do if he asks me out again.
“I don’t do anything with my life except romanticise and decay with indecision” ― Allen Ginsberg
In the evening the phone rang. It was him. He asked if I would like to meet him on Friday in NYC for dinner and a Broadway show. I immediately said yes. How can I say no to a Broadway show with great company?
I like to think that he is enjoying spending time with me even if there is not romance in the future. Could there be something else eventually? Should I continue to go on dates with someone even if there are no sparks?
I normally say that chemistry is either there or not there. There is no creating it out of nothing. But a conversation I had earlier that day is making me rethink it. Perhaps there is some merit to going on more dates even if there are no sparks at the beginning.
“By dawn he had surrendered, gratefully, to the old inertia, the product of always seeing both sides of every question.” ― Robert Harris, Enigma
Earlier in the day I had exchanged messages with a potential date. He complained that women seem to make up their minds too fast without giving the relationship a chance to develop. He argued that there should be more than a few dates to see if there is chemistry or not. There should be more time invested in getting to know each other before moving on.
I explained my opinion about it. To me, if I know there will be nothing else other than friendship, it feels somewhat dishonest to continue going on dates. I feel I am wasting the other person’s time and energy. If I know that I only want friendship shouldn’t I just say that and move on? But what if I am wrong? What if feelings can develop?
The potential date stood firm on his opinion that one should get to know each other over several dates before making a decision. I guess he feels women haven’t given him enough of a chance in the past. He is supposed to reach out to schedule a date for some time this week.
For now I figure that 3 dates and an honest conversation will be enough to see if there should be more dates or not.
“If you don’t know which way to go in the middle of a bridge, you better enjoy the bridge! Sometimes the solution comes only when you give up the future and enjoy the present!” ― Mehmet Murat ildan
I do think ‘spark’ can develop when one has an emotional connection. I also like the idea of honesty – I love spending time with you, I don’t feel a romantic connection, I’m happy to see if a connection develops in the future, either way I’m loving spending time with you. Glad you enjoyed it!
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Hi Eliza,
Honesty is always the best course of action. I love how you phrased it and I will borrow it 🙂
Thank you and blessings to you!
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Great response
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Thank you Sheree! Blessings!
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You’re welcome
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Well, even if it doesn’t become romantic, there’s no harm in having met a good friend. I’ve been of the opinion that there should be love at first sight, but that has its pitfalls, too. It’s rare, and there are many good possibilities that are overlooked. One step at a time and remember the cats.
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Hi Rob,
I agree on both counts. I want to be open minded and at least feel I gave it a chance.
No cats at all!! 🙂
Thank you and blessings!
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The soap is lovely, and you are lucky. Are you an interesting company and also beautiful?
Joanna
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Hi Gaby,
I do think I am blessed. I think I am an interesting company. As far as beautiful, that is on the eye of the beholder.
What I know is that I am a good person, but I am definitely not everyone’s cup of tea.
Blessings!
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You are welcome, but I am Joanna, not Gaby. Gaby was an extraordinary hedgehog and his friendship inspired this blog.
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oops I am so sorry Joanna, about that faux pas. I definitely should stop trying to multitask.
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No harm done, as long as you don’t call me chops, I am vegetarian.
Joanna
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only calling you Joanna from now on!! 🙂
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Thank you!
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What a thoughtful gift, those soaps! And as always, your food sounds very very delicious. 😛
I met a man once who became a good friend over several years. Initially the one thing I loved most was our conversations in every realm (writing, talking, in person, online, phone etc). When we met for the first time I thought oh, I’m not sure if I’m attracted to him ‘in that way’. That so-called spark everyone is always talking about wasn’t there for me. Was it for him? Maybe, probably. He told me many months into the relationship he was aroused by me or that he looked forward to conversation or meetups with me. (We weren’t dating, but when you deal with the opposite sex there’s always a component of that that in the back of your mind.)
After a while he began telling me about his problems with the online dating world but continued to date. He’d get girlfriends for a few months, but they never lasted long. 6 months seemed to be the longest, and I’m not completely sure he wasn’t ‘looking around’ before he officially ended it. Usually he ended it.
As we continued our friendship I began to feel sparks even while he was out dating others. I can’t explain it, but there was something that built from our connection, even though it wasn’t romantic or sexual. I began to think that there could be a possibility of the intimate side developing if we both decided to explore mutually. He didn’t want to, or wasn’t ready, or something, I don’t know, and eventually disconnected from me. But I know for a fact it was there for both of us. For me, it came later, for him, it may or may not have been present at the beginning.
Point is, there was no attraction from me to him the first time we met, yet we had a most interesting, and increasingly personal relationship.
But because of that long ago past experience I believe there does not have to be a spark at the first meet. If you’re going to become involved, romantically and intimately speaking, looking for that chemical ignition on the first or second or seventh date, yearning for it, it seems to do the opposite; it seems to add pressure to ‘make something happen’ when it isn’t immediately evident.
Why does immediate lust have to be a part of a new potential relationship? Isn’t evolving intimacy leading to romantic sex in a mutually desired relationship enough? Why limit yourself with self-talk about ‘oh but I’m not sexually attracted to him’ 5 minutes after meeting?
I’m not saying if you know in your heart (rather than your loins) that you don’t foresee a long-term relationship to go ahead and do it anyway in case that spark happens later. When you know you know. I’m simply arguing suspecting the attraction isn’t immediately present at the first moment doesn’t need to be such a concern. Unless you absolutely do not see yourself feeling comfortable kissing or going beyond that, why not just relax and let things unfold?
Sorry for the novel I wrote here, I have much on this topic I’m contemplating on my new Patreon page but it’s not launched yet. I’ll let you know when it is. 🙂
Meanwhile, enjoy all this wonderful attention. He sounds like a lovely and attentive man.
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HI Claudette,
Thank you so much for writing me a novel, just kidding!! I do appreciate the thoughtful comment and your point of view. Thank you also for sharing your experience. Because of hearing similar accounts, I am willing to be open minded and go on more than 2 dates. (a Broadway show invitation helps also lol)
It is my experience that if there are no sparks right at the beginning, it doesn’t all of sudden show up. I am normally very honest about that with my dates. I would love to continue seeing some of the guys I have met in the past as friends, but friendship is not what they want. Once I say I feel no sparks they normally move on. One guy once said he wanted to friends, only to later say how disappointed he was that the more I got to know him I still wasn’t feeling anything. (happy to report he found someone and even invited me to the wedding)
As far as feeling the pressure for something to be there on dates, I don’t feel any. Perhaps because I have gone on so many dates, that I just go expecting to spend a couple of great hours meeting a new person. I expect smart and fun conversation. Of course, I am always hopeful for sparks.
I don’t agree that I am looking for “immediate lust”. Perhaps I am just splitting hairs at the word “lust”. When you say: “Isn’t evolving intimacy leading to romantic sex in a mutually desired relationship enough?” My answer is: absolutely!! But, to me, for the intimacy to evolve there has to be something there to begin with, and that is what I call sparks. The key word for me is intimacy and not sex.
Will look forward to reading more of your thoughts on the subject.
Blessings to you!
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He sounds like a great guy and just enjoy your time and see how it goes for now. Like you, romantic attraction doesn’t usually grow for me, it’s either there or not, but never say never
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yes Beth, we think alike as far as chemistry goes… I am trying to keep an open mind but I am not that hopeful about it.
Thank you and blessings to you!
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best to you in your latest endeavor
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Oh I love the last quote, and the soap! 🙂
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Thank you Cassa! Blessings!
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So far connection, good meals, broadway and a gift are all pluses.. Enjoy it for as long as it’s lasts Ana Star! 💗
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That is my plan!! 🙂
Thank you Cindy! Blessings!
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Love it.. makes me almost want to be single.. 😹 pleasure always Ana Star! 💞
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almost… but no, you don’t!!! 🙂
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hahaah… key word. alrighty,
if you say so..
But I could do a dinner fill in once in awhile! 🤣
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I like him
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Just to be clear: I like the old fashioned date. Soap-dude
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There is a lot to like about him. We shall see…
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As long as you are honest with him it is alright . And it is always good to have nice friends. Having a good time together is wonderful and quite precious.
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Hi Ute,
I agree. I just wished that more men were interested in being friends after I say there is no chemistry. Some would make really great friends. We will see what happens in this case.
Thank you and blessings!
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I commend you, you go on so many dates. You have to meet “the one” at this point.
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One would think, but who knows… perhaps the moment I stop looking. But in the meantime I have fun.
Thank you and blessings to you!
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Enjoy each date, Ana. I would love soap as a gift!
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Thank you Kerry! Blessings!
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Thank you for sharing!!.. unfortunately there are no specifications when it comes to life and love.. as your heart seeks that certain someone there may only be one date or the heart may wish to test the waters and there are more than one date… 🙂
It may only become just a friendship, may become best friends foreveer, etc.. planting the seed of a relationship with another is like planting the seed of a flower, it takes time, patience, love, caring and daily attention for it to blossom.. 🙂
Hope your path is paved with love and happiness and until we meet again..
May the love that you give
Always return to you,
That family and friends are many
And always remain true,
May your mind only know peace
No suffering or strife,
May your heart only know love and happiness
On your journey through life.
(Larry “Dutch” Woller)
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Hi Larry,
You are so right, there are no specifications or timeline when it comes to love.
I am taking your advice of being patient and following my heart.
Thank you for the kind words and blessings to you!
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You have to give him points for the soap. 🙂 – Marty
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Hi Marty,
I did, and I actually told him he was getting bonus points 🙂
Blessings!
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