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baggage, federal prison, financial scam, Googling, Greenwich CT, Hinoki Restaurant, past, past sins, redemption, SEC
“Good judgment comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgment.” ― Rita Mae Brown, Alma Mater
Well, not really Bernie, but kind of. Read on.
First things first, the place and the food. I met my date at Hinoki in Greenwich, CT. It was an Asian fusion restaurant. It was packed on this Thursday night. We stood by the bar until we waited for a table or seats at the bar. Eventually we sat at the bar.
As I mentioned on the previous post, I wasn’t expecting much from the date. I thought it would be more of a business connection. Since we are both in financial services I was curious to see if our firms intersected in some way.
During the evening He had a couple of beers and I had a couple of passion fruit cocktails. We shared a few small dishes. The tuna taco, lettuce wrap and fried rice were delicious. I will definitely go back for the food.
A couple of red flags:
First, as soon as we got to the bar, before I knew it, he already had a beer in front of him. I was surprised he would not ask me first what I wanted to drink before ordering. I assumed it was nerves, but now I am thinking is just plain inconsideration. We now have a pretty good idea of who will come first in this relationship.
Second, when I was telling him that my last “relationship” ended when I was called an asshole, his comment was: “So, everyone call names when they fight”.
Excuse me! No, not everyone calls each other names. I don’t, and I don’t want to be in a relationship where that is ok. For the record, there was no fighting with B (last relationship). He was frustrated about not seeing me as often as he wanted and fired of a text calling me an asshole.
The fact that he thinks that it is okay for people in romantic relationships to call each other asshole is disturbing to me.
“That’s all it takes, one drop of fear to curdle love into hate.” ― James M Cain
So it seems, I will never come first and I will be called names. Why am I interested in seeing him again?
Sad, right? I think I am the queen of giving people the benefit of the doubt. I was thinking that the first red flag was nerves, and the second was that I didn’t explain correctly how the name calling occurred. It seems I am already making excuses for the guy.
Towards the end of the date he asked me what I would be doing after it. I joked I was going on another date. He laughed, then invited me to have a glass of wine in his apartment after. I said: No, thank you.
It was actually a fun date, and there was chemistry. We communicated well, took turns asking each other questions. I was willing to go on a second date to find out more. Yes, I was 😦
“To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future.” ― Plutarch
That Thursday night, while in bed trying to sleep I kept thinking about the date. Something was giving me pause. I decided to get up and Google him again now that I had more information to go on. Before going on any date I will Google the person and try to find as much information I can. Before the date I found his business and some other information that told me he was who he was saying he was.
But now, I had some additional information, such as his ex-wife’s name and the country that he lived in for awhile. So I got up and Googled his name along with the ex-wife’s name.
And shock of all shocks, so much information came up. I found out that many years ago he has been in Federal prison for some type of scam. It seems that even after getting out of prison he went on to have more issues with the SEC. I don’t want to say too much as I am afraid of giving too much info about someone that is not present to defend himself.
So, what is your opinion? Do people deserve a second chance? Can someone regenerate? For me, if I am with someone and something happens, I am going to stick by them. But in this case, do I want to start something with someone that already had issues hanging over his head?
“All men make mistakes, but a good man yields when he knows his course is wrong, and repairs the evil. The only crime is pride.” ― Sophocles, Antigone
According to what I read he thinks he did nothing wrong. As I am going through an audit now, I know that the regulators can be pretty picky and enforce some outdated and irrelevant rules. But, I think this is me once again trying to give someone the benefit of the doubt.
I guess the answer is a very simple one for me. I am more and more wanting to simplify my life of any excess, including excess drama. I would live in fear that he could be at some point be led away in handcuffs.
Then the following day, Friday, he texts me and invites me for dinner, here is the exchange:
I don’t think he will reach out again. I don’t think that he is the type of man that is concerned about a woman’s comfort level, and don’t care enough to care.
I wonder if he would ever tell me about his past had we continued dating. What do you think about it? How much does one need to divulge about their past on dates? When should people disclose such a type of baggage to a potential partner? Are some things okay to keep secret?
What about the less important, at the moment, question: When it is okay to go to a date’s house?
This post has issues that I could have expended on and perhaps should have, but for now you have the gist of it.
“I don’t know why it’s so hard for people to admit that sometimes they’re just assholes who screw up because they don’t expect to get caught.” ― Karen M. McManus, One of Us Is Lying
I think it would be one thing to go to his house if you had known him for a long time. But not as a second date and especially not when he hasn’t disclosed a crucial part of his past. Prison changes people. At the same time, perhaps he was afraid to tell you because he didn’t want to be judged like he has been. Maybe he wants to move forward and leave the past behind. I’m not defending him by any means but if he is continuing to have issues with certain agencies, that is a huge red flag. And you have the right to know about them if you were to get involved with him. It would be detrimental to you and everything you’ve worked for. I’ve dated men who have been to prison for various reasons. Only one was upfront about it and it made a positive difference in the relationship. Trust your instincts.
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Hi Mia,
Yes, there are a lot variables in this case. I definitely understand him not disclosing that part of his past on the first date. I probably would have waited also. Perhaps if there was a second date, not at his house, I would have probably asked him about it. It would be very telling how he would describe the situation, considering what I read. But he has been silent since I didn’t to accept his invitation to go to his house. It is probably all for the best anyway.
Thank you for sharing and for the advice! Blessings!
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You so remind me of me)
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That is comforting… I am not alone in my crazy experiences.
Blessings to you!
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best of luck to both of us )
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Indeed, indeed! Thanks heaven for our little guardian angels!!
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thats disturbing that he thinks its ok to call you names, and that he’d go right ahead and order beer before doing anything else. Very disturbing. xo
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Indeed Carol Anne!
Some times it is just those little details, such as the beer, that tells a lot about a person!
Blessings!
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When you have reason to trust him fully. Maybe.
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I totally, it is not a matter of how many date, first, second, second or tenth… It is a matter of trust!
Thank you Jnana and blessings to you!
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My gut says…let him go. Of course, we readers don’t know the whole nights conversation, but I say something doesn’t feel right. Hugs to you. There’s someone out there looking for you. For some reason, life lessons need to be presented and dealt with first. But I support you, whatever you decide. You are a smart chick. 💕
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Hi Andi,
My gut agrees with you. Even though I had a great evening, there was something just off about him.
Indeed, until we learn certain lessons we are not ready for certain people to come into our lives.
Thank you for the kindness and support!
Blessings!
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You’re welcome! 🙂
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This reminds me of the time I was meeting a guy for the first time, and he must have arrived way before me because he was past his first beer, and was still wearing his work uniform! I stayed for a bit, but he was so nervous I had to excuse myself and head home.
It’s extremely presumptuous and almost freaky that he would order a meal and invite you over. Especially after inviting you over previously for a glass of wine and you declined. I’ve had a couple of men extend an ‘open invitation’ for me to visit them at their home, but no thank you. That’s a level of like I haven’t found yet! 😂
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gosh, so many stories to tell about dates gone wrong lol
We need to write a book, not about those dates, but a guide for men of what not to do on a date.
Indeed, some of the more successful guys I meet think that money means that they are amazing and I would be dying to go to their home. I think often it is not even about sex. Often is to show off their home and how well they are doing financially lol
Next! We keep moving 🙂
Blessings to you!
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Fabulous insight Ana and thank you for sharing! I haven’t thought about them wanting to show of their environment, but it makes sense. You’d think they’d wait to receive an invitation to my home first. That would show the level of comfortability in getting to know them. We could write a book! 🥳
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I came to that conclusion based on my experiences. People lead with whatever they think it is most attractive about them, and for some people that is their home, cars, etc.
I actually don’t blame a guy for trying and I like guys that are more aggressive. What I don’t appreciate is not being able to take no for an answer.
We actually could, and it would be a bit of everything, comedy and drama, a dramedy I guess lol
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2nd date – house – too soon. Scam – lack of conscience because there are victims out there lives ruined.
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Hi Cassa,
I am with you on that. Too soon.
And let’s not forget that white-collar crimes are still crimes that often destroys people lives.
Blessings!
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Thank you for sharing!!.. as it takes time for form a relationship and share feelings and thoughts being honest with each other, from what you have said I get the feeling that he is probably out for a quick date ( a good time), not interested in any relationship… it also appears he is not all concerned about your feelings or thoughts and wouldn’t hesitate to walk away…. perhaps over time and you get to know each other better, it may look different but for now tread with care and drive to your date… 🙂
Hope every day is filled with happiness and until we meet again..
May flowers always line your path
and sunshine light your way,
May songbirds serenade your
every step along the way,
May a rainbow run beside you
in a sky that’s always blue,
And may happiness fill your heart
each day your whole life through.
(Irish Saying)
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Hi Larry,
I think you are right on your assumption that he is not concerned about my feelings. He is definitely not! There is only one person he is concerned with: himself!
Some times they are nervous on a first date, and things may not work out perfectly, but still there should be signs of consideration towards the other person. Not here!
Safety is number one in my book!!
Thank you for the insight and blessings to you!
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I agree with the commenters above. There’s no arbitrary answer for a first house date. You only do it when you feel comfortable, however long that takes for you.
To be fair, I wouldn’t divulge I’d been to prison on a first date, either. Even if the knowledge is public, the experience is personal? I’d want a better feel for a person before I shared something that vulnerable… HOWEVER….
He DEF should’ve shared it before inviting you to his house. That’s the red flag to me.
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Hi, Thank you for the visit!
I agree, and believe there is no right time to go to someone’s house and invite someone to my house. I had guys break up with me in the past because I wouldn’t let them in my apartment on the third date.
And the prison situation is tricky. It is definitely not a first date conversation, but I suspect he had no intention of ever telling me – based on stuff I read.
Thank you for your insight and blessings to you!
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People do deserve a second chance, but it’s not compulsory that it needs to come from you. The search continues.,,..
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Hi Rob,
Good point!
The never ending search…
Blessings!
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Unlike B, this guy has pretty much revealed who he is. I also don’t really like his response to your declining his dinner invite. But…I was also wrong about B lol so there’s that part.
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Hi KE,
Indeed, always a blessing when they do that. I don’t have to waste my energy and my heart didn’t have a chance to get involved.
It is very hard to be right about all of these guys. Always a gamble lol
Thank you and blessings to you!
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The first date invite to come home for a glass of wine was telling. I think you made a good call. – Marty
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Hi Marty,
Definitely too soon. Not for me 🙂
The search continues.
Blessings!
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What’s important here is that I think is that you weren’t comfortable and you were being honest with him. Honesty I think is critical if you want to build trust. At some point trust has been broken with you and so it’s harder to have it blindly. Trust is something that is earned and easily chipped and never the same again. We try to move past a chip sometimes but it is like a tiny pebble in our shoe, and we feel it even if we try to ignore it. I suggest you try to trust yourself completely first and always. If you don’t feel 100% comfortable, then stand up for those feelings. The right man will wait and not push, the right man understands and not debate how you feel. You might not know if you are correct about avoiding situations but you will know that if he doesn’t respect your feelings, then he isn’t the right person.
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Hi David,
Thank you for the great comment! I totally agree.
The right man will respect my comfort level first and foremost. That is just basic, if he cannot do that right at the beginning I will never feel safe and wanted and taken care of by such a person. When he, right away, got his beer without asking me first, it was very telling to me who will come first, who will be the most important person in this relationship. He is all for himself in every area of his life.
Blessings to you!
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omg you had me right from the beginning … with Bernie and I’d say RUN LIKE HELL!!!
😂😂😂
I believe in second chances but rather save you some possible hell!
💖💖
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Hi Cindy,
Indeed, he deserves a second chance, but it doesn’t have to be from me 🙂
Blessings!
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😂🤗😂💖 I so much agree with you!
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I admire your candid, straightforward responses to his text message request for dinner. Most people get caught up in the awkward battle between saying what they need to say and not hurting the recipient’s feelings. Your point of view on your first comment was so clear I’m surprised he was able to question your motive with his second comment. But maybe that’s the red flag you were looking for.
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Hi Dave,
I believe honesty is always the best policy. I don’t mind that he invited me (I will never blame a guy for trying), but I mind that he didn’t accept my response.
Yes, huge red flag when a guy is only thinking of himself and not respecting my comfort level.
In the end I didn’t have to decide if I was going to see him again or not, since he didn’t contact me again. Which also shows his interest level.
Thank you and Blessings!
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Run away, Ana. As fast as you can.
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Still running and not looking back…
(actually I didn’t have to, he never reached out again.)
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Good riddance!
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