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case by case, chivalry is not dead, I expect more, men and their excuses, online dating, this is not for me
“To wish was to hope, and to hope was to expect” ―
Following up my last post where I mentioned the date with P. I was still thinking about his behavior. I think that it bothered me even more than I was willing to admit. I needed to get back to him with a yes or no in regards to the second date. So I decided that honesty was the best policy and flat out asked him about it.
I emailed him: “Why would you hurry and get your food before I got there and not offer to get me my coffee?
Here is his reply: “I apologize for what appeared rude or improper behavior. Frankly, what’s appropriate these days is not so clear as it used to be. I wasn’t sure if it was going to be just a drink and conversation, or something more like a mini meal. I was very hungry so I had some choices. If I ordered something that took time to cook, but I didn’t know how far away you were, either I’d have time to eat fast, or you’d show up close to when I got my food, so I would wait for you to get what you wanted.
When it comes to buying your coffee, food or whatever, this is a meeting, not a date(as some women have said to me!), so it seems fair and “modern” to just each of us do our own thing. The old way, the guy always buying, has a touch of “She owes me now” to it, especially in this time when #metoo has emerged. I am trying to tread lightly, not be aggressive or overbearing or make you in any way feel “obligated” to me. Maybe I’m overdoing it. Maybe I’m overanalyzing. All I can say is it’s not easy being a guy sometimes! lol
Yes…I probably could have let all our conversations be that “first meeting” and treated this more like a first date. But if we both had actually felt exactly like that, we probably would have been locked lip to lip in a lengthy goodbye kiss on the sidewalk. “
“A gentleman is someone who does not what he wants to do, but what he should do.” ―
That answer didn’t make everything all better.
Manners and chivalry are always appropriate, that to me is clear as a bell. It sounded like he really thought about how to get his food so that he didn’t have to buy mine. He knew I was just a couple minutes away. I am thinking he was being just cheap.
I think many men are coming up with the excuse that the first date is just a meeting and therefore they don’t need to pay for anything. For the women that say that I think they don’t want to be stuck with someone they don’t like. I understand and don’t want to judge, but for me the first date is the first date. I only agree to meet people that I think could at least be a friend. If I don’t want to sacrifice an hour or 2 of my time I just don’t agree to meet the person period.
I don’t care where we meet, at the park or the library, but if he chooses a coffee shop I expect that he is paying for my coffee. After all I got my hair done, nails done, I am wearing perfume. Everyone is making an effort to put their best foot forward or so I hope.
#metoo? Really? He is going to use that? What does that have to do with a cup of coffee?
Why would I think I owe the guy anything because he paid for my coffee? To me it is just a kind gesture. It sounds to me that he is the one that has expectations when he does anything for a woman.
We had been exchanging emails for over 3 months on a daily basis. I expected more. I expected a cup of coffee and it seems that he expected passionate kisses.
We exchanged a couple of emails after the one above. I politely declined the second date and wished him luck.
And so it goes…
“Treat a man as he is and he will remain as he is. Treat a man as he can and should be and he will become as he can and should be.” ―
You had your hair and nails done for a coffee date??! Wow, that’s going above and beyond!
I don’t know. I would have though it was a sweet gestures for him to buy my coffee but I wouldn’t have thought twice about it if he hadn’t. I can buy my own coffee. But I can see your point of expecting more if you’d been talking with him every day for three months – that’s a long time!
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yeah, call me crazy! 🙂
Maybe I still hold romantic, chivalrous, outdated views regarding the first date. 😦
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Totally agree. When I was dating I ran into this same BS ~ prior to #metoo but they used the it’s a first meet not a first date crap. Look, the only reason we’re doing this is because we want/hope to find a romantic spark. Not gonna get there counting pennies on day one. It’s just coffee anyway not a lobster!
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Hi Paula
I agree. I am looking for a partner, someone that will add to my life and not detract.
If it is too much to expect someone to display their best manners on the first date then so be it. He is not for me and I am not for him.
Sending you blessings! 🙂
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Spot on!!!!! Dude was just being cheap!
I can’t believe he pulled the #metoo card. What a sorry excuse for a man. It is beyond me why these guys invite a woman out and then turn around and call it a “meet up” instead of a date. Get outta here with that nonsense!
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Hi Rakkelle
I agree. We had been talking about the first date for months, so for him to be talking about “just a meeting” now it was disingenuous at best.
and the “metoo” was the icing on that cake lol
Thank you and many blessing to you! 🙂
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A bit strange really. Still it gave you the answer not to have a second ‘meeting’ with him. However I have to say that when I met someone, I never expected anything, I always offered to pay my part, which was always declined. To avoid any confusion you can always meet someone in a park and then make a decision whether to go somewhere to drink or eat. Sometimes it is nice to walk together and sit on a park bench, not being pre occupied with what to order, eating etc.
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Hi Ute,
I always have them picking the meeting place so they can pick something they can afford or something free like a park, gallery, etc. I have been known to ask a date to choose a different place because the one chosen was very expensive and I rather not much money be spent on the first date.
Still, I will not offer to pay half on the first date, I don’t care if it just a dollar. After the first date, we can take turns treating other, whatever, nothing set in stone. I am very generous and treat everyone around me any time I go out, but a first date sets the tone and shows me what a man is like.
Thank you always for your input. Many blessings! 🙂
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Well done you for sticking to your principles and also for being brave enough to ask him about it. By the way, I love that last quote … very true. Even though I’m married, I do still expect my husband to, for example, open the door for me. Standards and all that! I learnt a lot from Matthew Hussey who has YouTube videos on dating. He’s absolutely brilliant if you’ve got time to google him. Very watchable and has some excellent ways of getting the absolute best out of dating.
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Thank you!
I think someone, or perhaps you, has mentioned Matthew Hussey to me before. I will make a point of looking him up.
I can always expand my mind when it comes to dating.
Thank you and have a blessed rest of week! 🙂
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You too, have a good week/weekend! 💕
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I hope it will be magical!! 🙂
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Too much thinking on his part for just a simple thing as coffee. Best to cut the “ties” now. He either over analyzes everything (and makes stupid mistakes as a result) or he is expert at making up excuses. Either way – “hasta la bye bye.”.
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Hi Patricia
I am with you on that. No matter how we slice it, he is not for me.
Blessings! 🙂
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What a loon! #metoo ????? he has no common sense or any sense of how to behave around a lady! you are best rid of him, God help the next woman he ‘has a meeting’ with! I mean REALLY ??
xx
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Hi Lilly
Perhaps some women wouldn’t care about those details, but it is important to me.
If anything now I know for the future to ask if it is a “date” or a “meeting”
Wishing you a blessed day! 🙂
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I am the same!
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I had my fair share of bizarre online dating experiences myself, in fact, I wrote about them just last week. Not sure if you had an opportunity to read it but if you didn’t you can do so at http://racquelwrites.com/2018/11/03/the-horrors-of-online-dating/
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Hi Rakkelle
I haven’t had too much time lately, but I am going over now
Thank you!
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Please let me know what you think (leave a comment) if you read it. No pressure, of course. Thanks!
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I will 🙂
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Three months of daily interaction and he calls your first date a meeting?! Dude’s a dumb ass! And his ignorant #MeToo comment?! I can’t.
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I agree. He should have known better 😦
Blessings to you! 🙂
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Chivalry is not dead, but has had some alterations, at least, for me.
I fully intend and tell my hopeful date I am buying her meal or coffee or movie…I don’t expect much in return. I expect interest and good conversation and honesty. If we don’t hit it off, then tell me. I can move on instead of asking and asking for a second date and be ignored or shunned or whatever.
As for getting something in return, it would be my hope that by the end or date one or, at least, date two, I would get a nice kiss goodnight. That is a hope, not an expectation. Metoo should only come into the plan if the other person HAD to give me a kiss or sex or whatever else sets that off. She is an adult and can make her own decisions as far as I am concerned. Simply be honest and let me know.
I don’t know if he was being cheap or nervous or is very strange, but I think you are right letting him go. He, obviously, was not so into you that he could do much about it any way.
Scott
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Again to the point 👍
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🙂
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