Don’t get me wrong, I love Brazil and I love and pride myself on being this hot blooded sassy Brazilian. But every time I go to the Brazilian Consulate in NY and see how rudely the agents there treat Americans and Brazilians alike I cringe and shrink in my seat. The agents are short tempered and condescending. They don’t think twice about sending you away, it doesn’t matter how many hours you have traveled to get there.
When I think of a consulate I think of an organization that was created to help citizens in foreign countries. Unfortunately that is not what you happens when you visit the Brazilian Consulate in New York. They go out of their way to make Brazilian’s lives difficult. They take pleasure out of making you feel inferior. I dare say that they resent us for leaving Brazil and choosing to live in another country. I don’t know if that is a fact or not but it is the feeling that I get. And I am not alone, every Brazilian that I speak to is quick to point out a problem that they have faced in dealing with the Consulate!
Last year I needed a passport in 24 hrs, and after a lot of begging they gave to me, but to penalize me, instead of renewing for 5 years they renewed it for 1 year, which meant that 6 months later I have to go through the whole process again (forms, pictures, money from the US Postal Service – they do not accept it from any place – it has to be from the Post Office)
So there I go again last week, armed with my old (well, 6 months old) passport to renew it. I fill the application online, email to ask for appointment, I take the picture as per the specifications, I get the money order from the Post Office and on the assigned day I stand in line for over 1 hour. When my turn comes, the woman at the window looks at my documents and makes faces at everything, she questions me on the quality of the copies of my documents, she lectures me on the need to get some of my identifications redone. She has a smirk on her face every time she points out something I should do better or different. I am biting my tongue and trying the nice approach first.
After she collected all the documentation she issues me a number and a receipt so that I can come in one week to get the passport. I feel an immense relief! First time that I will get this done without numerous trips and some begging. I am thinking to myself, once I get my passport I wont have to deal with these people for another 4 1/2 years!
3 days letter, I get a voice mail from the consulate agent that helped (well that is really not the right word) with my paperwork. To summarize her message, she said that unless I present an original birth certificate they will not give me a passport!
I guess giving me a passport for the previous 30 years is not proof enough that I am Brazilian! And of course I am not going to dare ask them to give me then a Visa on my American passport instead- I made that mistake years ago an still remember the scolding I got!
After searching through my documents I find 5 different certified copies of my birth certificate, one even includes a certified English translation. I go back to the consulate and after the required waiting in line time, I talk to her and present everything I have, and promise to get another copy when I get to Brazil.
She looks at each copy and is clearly not happy with any of them, she narrows in on the fact that the letter I in my name is faded from the birth certificate being folded for many years. She again preaches to me how I should go and get another one the first thing I do when I get to Brazil, and how easy it is – I am not going to explain to her that it is not as simple as she is describing. And she tells me to sit down and wait. I am happy and feel that telling me to wait is because they will give me the passport.
After waiting for 30 minutes she finally calls me over and hands me the passport and asks me to sign it (I am so happy and relieved!), I ask where and she says: The same place where you signed the last one! Yes it would kill her to point out to me where to sign. I eventually find the right line and as I am signing she says: next time if you have all the documentation in order perhaps you will get one for 5 years!!
My face fell, my spirits sank, no they didn’t! Yes they did!! Again they gave me another passport valid for 1 year only. So in approximate 6 months I will have to do all this all over again. By then I will have redone all the documentation that they gave me a hard time with. I wonder what will they find fault with next?
But to summarize, it is not even all the impossible and picky requirements, it is the holier than thou attitude, it is the condescending tone of voice, it is the unnecessary preaching and lecturing that makes you feel 2 feet tall! That is what makes me feel embarrassed every time I am in the consulate and see non-Brazilians being subjected to that!
I was once told that it is called reciprocation, that that is the same way Brazilians are treated at the American Consulate in Brazil! Tit for tat? To me that is not a good excuse. At least no one can say they discriminate, no matter what your race is you will be treated badly!
Thank you Consulate General of Brazil in New York! You make me proud! NOT!
Your pain is so evident. I have had similar disservice and rudeness, even hostility from Canadian and American border/customs agents, and my latest was a series of encounters via mail, fax etc with an agent in a provincial office here in Canada who is supposed to process paperwork for marriages. She refused to accept the credentials of one of our ministers. We eventually got our elected official and the ombudsman’s office to intervene and we hope all is fixed now. I pray that when you get your new birth-certificate it will be as hassle free as possible and that it will alleviate your consulate problem. In the meantime have a joyous trip back to Brazil.
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Unfortunately I am definitely not the only and I guess the Brazilian Consulate is not the only one either. I wonder what makes one act in such way, would I act like that if had that job? I would hate to think so!
Thank you! I too hope your issues have been resolved and I will report here my experience next time around! A blessed weekend to you! :0
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Truthful post.l felt sad for what happened to you, and proud to be an American.l am from Iraq originally .When l
used to study in Europe,each time l needed some thing from the Iraqi consulate l was treated like 2nd.class citizen because my name is MICHEAL.( that is why i immigrated to the USA..Being Christian in the Middle -East is a deficit .Best regards.jalal Michael
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Thank you for your comment and for your sympathy! By your experiences I guess you understand exactly how I feel! I am glad you feel at home here in the US, me too! Many blessings to you! 🙂
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I feel your pain, bureaucratic red tape and swelled heads, those people let their power go to their heads. Sorry this happened to you, been there. I hope it all gets sorted out and you get your passport thats good for 5 years.
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Thank you, you said it correctly “bureaucratic red tape and swelled heads” indeed!!!
I hope so too, I am also hoping they come up with a 10 year renewal like the US!
Many blessings! 🙂
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Going to the Israeli consulate used to be the same, but it’s much better now. You can do most everything on the internet. But I remember the days of driving to the consulate (45 minutes) paying for expensive parking and then just waiting. Even though things are better, I , too have to have my passport renewed every year! because there’s some document I have not provided. So I know your pain and frustration. On the other hand, there’s Carnival:)
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hahaha – just give us Carnaval and we are happy!! It seems that my experience is definitely not an isolated incident! oh well, it is part of life and I should count myself lucky for being a citizen of 2 countries! There is always a hope that it will get better!
Have a blessed weekend! 🙂
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That is worse than the Indian consulate!
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hahaha- I will eventually need to deal with the Indian Consulate as I hope to one day visit India! many blessings! 🙂
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What a poor service! I have to say that I was very impressed last time I needed to renew my passport in London, and had the new one within the hour. Brazil is streaming down their burocratic ways, but still a long way to go! But it sounds like your consulate are just plenty awkward for the sake of it!
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Hi Gisele Great to hear from you! A wonderful 2013 to you! Wow I am amazed at the service you got from the London Consulate, that is not the service we get here in NY. You are right some of their requirements seems to have no basis other than making it more difficult for us Brazilians! Many blessings to you! 🙂
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Happy New Year to you ♥
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Thank you! 🙂
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Consulates and other “official” agencies seem to attract that kind of officious person – or do the powers-that-be go out of their way to employ that type? “A gentle answer turns away wrath” sometimes works. I was once extremely pleasant and sweet to a woman who was treating me like dirt, and she suddenly deflated and almost broke down, as she told me her mother was dying … she ended up pouring out all her troubles, and suddenly became human. But that was only one out of … how many hundreds over the years? I think the worst I have encountered were the East Germans. I wish you patience and hope next time you have all the right documents! Good luck!
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Thank you so much! I always try to smile and react with kindness hoping to disarm the person, but as you pointed out that doesn’t always work. I do think that people that treat others in such a way are unhappy people so in a way I feel sorry for them. Thank you for your anecdote and for you support! A blessed 2013 to you! 🙂
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and a happy, healthy, interesting 2013 to you, too!
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Thank you! 🙂
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I think all government officials like to screw you. I am a born and raised American. When I applied tor my passport. I had to prove I was America. They wanted the names of all the schools I attended and names of people who could vouch I wias American. Well I hope your next time you renew you get your five year.
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Thank you so much, I hope so too! I guess most government officials are alike, they love to make something simple complicated! They like to see we sweat!
A Blessed 2013 to you! 🙂
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You know… two years ago I needed a new passport to fly back home to visit my family in England… I applied a couple of months in advance but time was running out… I only had a couple of weeks left before the flight and I was beginning to worry.
Out of the blue, a nice lady from the British Embassy in D.C. called me at work because she had my file and she knew my trip was coming up. She couldn’t have been nicer and more professional – not only did she make sure my application was prioritized, but she also sent it out on an overnight delivery without charging me a penny extra for it.
Honestly, it made me proud to be English – not to mention happy and comforted with the knowledge that I felt they were on my side and ready to act on my behalf, should I ever need their help 🙂
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WOW, I am shocked by the great service you received – the odds of that is almost the same as winning the lottery! I am glad that the London Consulate knows how to treat their citizens. The best part, as you mentioned, is feeling that they are on your side – that is priceless!
I hope your 2013 is going well! Many blessings!:)
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I am sorry to hear about your experience. IMHO, many holding low level bureaucratic positions display the same arrogant qualities to boost their self esteem, whether at the DMV, the Brazilian Consulate or elsewhere. Many of these employees know that the person has no other option. You’ve got a great mindset to deal with these frustrations and I commend you for it. Here’s the number and address for the Brazilian Consulate here in Miami if you would like a choice. I sincerely hope that you leave the next visit with a big smile on your face.
80 SW 8th St floor 26 Miami, FL 33130
(305) 285-6200
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Hey, I never thought about that, but perhaps next time I should go to another consulate instead of New York. It seems like the perfect excuse to visit Miami and to see how my fellow Brazilians are treated there! Thank you so much for the idea and for the information.
Did you ever have to go there yourself?
I think you hit the nail on the head: the agents at those offices know we are powerless and have to put up with that kind of disservice.
A Blessed 2013 to you!
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It seems incredible to me that consulates can get away with treating their nationals so badly. Don’t these people realise that they are giving a very bad impression of their country? Anyway, I hope you enjoy your trip home and can apply for, and be given, a five year passport next time.
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It seems incredible to me too! It is like that are all equally trained to be rude and obnoxious or perhaps that is requirement to be hired for that position.
I plan on enjoying my family and renewing all my identification documents so that they will give 5 years – we shall see how that goes!
Thank you so much for the good wishes and a blessed 2013 to you! 🙂
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I really hope you get your five year renewal the next time. I too have had similar experiences although the Australian consulate has always been kind and professional. Funny thing is when I first came to the US from Australia, the American officials were pretty mean in Sydney, since then, I’ve had to go to the immigration office many times in San Francisco and not all have been kind, sadly though the ones that are rude and obnoxious are those from different ethnicities – no excuse in my opinion. I agree, they are supposed to support and help, not hurt and belittle, yet, they seem to take pleasure in doing so. I just don’t understand it. Sending you good thoughts for a better experience the next time.
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Thank you, I hope so! I am definitely not alone in this, it seems almost everyone has had a bad interaction with a government or public official. Like you I don’t comprehend their pleasure in mistreating the people that go to them for service and help.
I guess I will keep smiling and hoping for the best! 🙂
Many blessings to you! 🙂
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Sweetie, you case is not unique. Every consulate I’ve been to does the same thing. When over a decade ago I applied for an American visa, they told me over the phone all the wrong documents needed and all the wrong forms to fill out (this was when everything still was done filling out paperwork instead of online), just so I would never get the visa necessary for me to travel to the US. The British Embassy is no better, and the Croatian and Russian are worse. Living in Europe and not being part of the RU really makes the life of those “left outside” a living hell.
I’m ashamed and appalled of how US, Britain, Russia and other countries treat foreign citizens. A friend of mine who was born in Moscow and his family left Russia in the 80s when he was a little boy, tried a couple of years ago to go back there. They made his life a living hell with all the paperwork they asked him for, just because he no longer had a Russian citizenship and his boyfriend was an American citizen from the Philippines. In the end they both gave up and went to London for their scheduled vacation, and had a great time.
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Yep, Unfortunately I am definitely not the only that he these kind of issues . It is too bad that they broker your friend down and he could not go back to his roots. Perhaps in the future he can try again and get a better response. Blessings to you! 🙂
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Reblogged this on Infernal Deity of a Psychotic Mind and commented:
Sweetie, you case is not unique. Every consulate I’ve been to does the same thing. When over a decade ago I applied for an American visa, they told me over the phone all the wrong documents needed and all the wrong forms to fill out (this was when everything still was done filling out paperwork instead of online), just so I would never get the visa necessary for me to travel to the US. The British Embassy is no better, and the Croatian and Russian are worse. Living in Europe and not being part of the RU really makes the life of those “left outside” a living hell.
I’m ashamed and appalled of how US, Britain, Russia and other countries treat foreign citizens. A friend of mine who was born in Moscow and his family left Russia in the 80s when he was a little boy, tried a couple of years ago to go back there. They made his life a living hell with all the paperwork they asked him for, just because he no longer had a Russian citizenship and his boyfriend was an American citizen from the Philippines. In the end they both gave up and went to London for their scheduled vacation, and had a great time.
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Indeed, my case is unfortunately not unique! 😦
I hope that your friend will not give up going back to Russia. Hopefully next time around they will not give him a hard time! It is sad and unfair!
A blessed weekend to you!
oh and thank you so much for reblogging! 🙂
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I do feel badly for all that you had to go through.
It is the same in America in a lot of large stores and such.
It is just as easy to be nice as mean; I don’t understand it.
Scott
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Thank you! I am glad that we don’t understand the pleasure in being mean! Blessings 🙂
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